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Showdown in Texas

from DipPolitics added 22 February, 2008 at 07:43 PM

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hillel-aron
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So, I’m writing this the day after the debate, which makes this, in all likelihood, the latest blog posting about a debate of all time. Oh well.

I just did a quick check of what other people had to say, and, surprise surprise, they said the SAME EXACT THING they always say about debates: Candidate B did well but not well enough to slow Candidate A’s momentum. For the first 16,000 debates, Candidate B was Obama, but now the roles have reversed, and it’s Hillary that needs to make up lost ground.

Maybe this is true. But it seems to me that debates have the most impact when voters know very little about the candidates — i.e., a few months ago. My sense is that most people started paying attention on February 4th or 6th, which was when they sort of got the gist of things. CNN probably could have saved some money and re-run the last debate without telling anybody.

Here are my thoughts on last night’s face-off:

Have a Seat
There’s an academic paper waiting to be written showing why you can’t attack your opponent while sitting next to him or her. Perhaps it’s the fact that one camera can frame both candidates in a nice medium shot. At any rate, the sitting debates have been much less vicious than the standing debates, and when an attack is made, it’s uncomfortable for everyone involved.

A Quick Word on Fashion
People always make fun of Hillary’s outfits, but I thought her suit was really cool last night. Obama had on a boring tie.

Learning
Obama has gotten a lot better at these. His performances in the first few debates were painful, with lots of “uh”’s, generalities, and off-topic talking points. He’s learned to back up his ideas with specific policy proposals (Hillary’s specialty) and anecdotes about everyday folk (her husband’s specialty). He’s also started to use what I would imagine are prepared sound bites (another Hillary specialty). And finally, he’s learned the art of defending himself and then quickly pivoting to an attack. This was best exemplified in the plagiarism spat, where he defended himself but then quickly turned it into an assault on Hillary’s “politics-as-usual.” He applied the same tactic during the health care discussion. He defended his plan, then suggested that Hillary was being disingenuous by characterizing his plan as one that left out the un-insured on purpose.

“Change you can Xerox”
This was the epitome of a pre-written line, and it went over like a lead balloon (because they were sitting next to each other?) It was strange, because she had the audience on her side at first, but then took it a step too far. The audience booed.

The American People…
I don’t have a specific quote, but one of the biggest debate clichés is, “My opponent has attacked me unfairly. I could attack my opponent, but the American people don’t want attacks, the American people want jobs.” Or something to that effect. As an American person, I’m sick of politicians telling me what I want. I don’t want more jobs, I want to be rich and not have to work at all! I don’t want affordable health care, I want free health care. In fact, I want them to cure all diseases right now and never have to see the doctor again. And I want to live forever. There, I said it. Someone had to.

I Was Right!
Obama’s only bad moment came when he started bragging about being right on every foreign policy issue. Iraq is one thing. But Pakistan? You were right in that you didn’t really trust Musharraf? You thought that he might not be completely devoted to democracy? Wow, you’re like Nostradamus. What are you doing running for president, why don’t you go by a lottery ticket?

The End
Hillary’s last answer was so gracious that I nearly fell out of my chair. Is this the same woman who has refused to congratulate her opponent after the last few primaries? I thought her answer was perfect. Alluding to her husband’s affair in the most subtle of ways is, to me, to acknowledge the gorilla in the room. She then switched to the whole it’s-nothing-compared-to-what-the-American-people-have-been-through thing, which yes, is a linestolen from her husband. It even showed up in the movie Primary Colors. I’m going to be consistent on this one: who cares?

I do, however, think her point was a little strange. In short, she said this: “Yeah, my husband cheated on me, and it was front page news for like a year. But that’s nothing compared to the little kids that get their faces burned off.” Isn’t that a little extreme?

I’m not sure how this über-empathy plays in Texas. Personally, it doesn’t strike me as the most genuine thing in the world, but it did make her seem very humble — something that Obama could potentially stand to learn a little about. — Hillel Aron

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Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

Fashion » Showdown in Texas said: [...] Dipdive wrote an interesting post today on Showdown in TexasHere’s a quick excerptA Quick Word on Fashion People always make fun of Hillary’s outfits, but I thought her suit was really cool last night. Obama had on a boring tie…. [...]
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

Opsimath said: Funny... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/us/politics/01press.html?hp I heard someone on MSNBC say that Barack received "positive" coverage 85% of the time, while Hillary only received "positive" coverage 60% of the time. And it made me think, Barack is positive nearly all the time, and Hillary less than half, so what's the problem? She should consider herself lucky.
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

Opsimath said: Please, please, please... let's get the "gorilla in the room" metaphor straight. The 600 or 800 pound gorilla is the toughest guy in a group (today, typically, a meeting) who gets more than one vote on an issue, due to the strength he / she projects with or without actually demanding it. The elephant in the room is the object that everyone can see but no one will talk about. And a white elephant is the gift that costs more to maintain than it was worth in the first place: a gift that costs the recipient in the long run. We had trouble enough keeping those straight before the retirement planning commercial, but now everyone misuses the "gorilla in the room" metaphor.
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

Patrick Burke said: I am an Obama supporter all the way and greatly admire his intellect, style, and clear thinking. However I don't know why no one ever brings up the fact that when Hillary (as well as Kerry and many other respectable politicians) voted to allow Bush to go to war it was during a time when the administration was lying to the world about Iraq's nuclear capabilities. To be unconcerned about Saddam having the bomb would have been completely irresponsible. To take the administration at their word should have been acceptable. It wasn't. This has to be one of the Republicans' greatest pleasures; that they could put Democrats in the position of being roasted by other Democrats and everyone seems to have forgotten that they (the Republicans) lied and lied and lied to make that war happen. I'm voting for Barrack for many good reasons, but not because of the war vote.
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

Mikempty said: You're right, Philip. This site is not pre-packaged...its totally undergound and guerilla...it's going to be a sight to see when you come down from your emotional high and realize thats all it was. But keep sloganeering. Being informed then acting brings about real change.
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

Philip Nsajja said: Mikempty....what's wrong with glitz? And what's wrong with a celebrity driven site? For your information, anybody that's wandered onto this site to see the Videos is probably well-engaged in the political process. There's a deluge of news sources out there to tap into and to get the hard news and hardcore political banter. But once in a while, some of us just need to unwind a little bit, and soak in the politics in an atmosphere that's a little more laid back, and to some, less intimidating. If you don't appreciate it, then you have a choice - simply follow the path that's been over-travelled and go back to your mainstream media sites, where you will get your fill of pre-packaged, market-tested, and corporate-driven 'news'. I know where to go if I want to know Senator Obama's policies. Ever heard of a little website called 'barackobama.com' ? We don't need to waste resources and time by replicating news. And your misplaced attempt at undermining the noble efforts of getting young people engaged in the political process by any means necessary is to say the least, shallow. The political arena is no longer simply the realm of elitists like you. Face it, we are at the cusp of new era , and whether or not you like the manner in which we choose to express ourselves, we will soldier on, because guess what - YES, WE CAN!
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

Mikempty said: It's a little curious that a website so dedicated to Senator Obama has no content regarding his policies. This site is driven by celebrity and the hope that young Americans will latch onto an ambiguous "change". At the very least you should champion your candidate with substance rather than glitz. If not, you do a great disservice to this country.
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

Adam L said: Yes, attacking someone sitting next to you very uncomfortable for everyone. On the other hand, complimenting person sitting next to you can light up a room in a way that complimenting from the podium never can. Which Hillary outfit was that? The brown wool number with gold flecking? That was nice. The Vampire outfit of three days ago -- less successful I felt.
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

rose789789rose said: right on!
 

Archive said 1 year and 1 month ago:

CarolC said: I get mail from both Obama and Clinton campaigns, since I first checked out their policies. The latest pitch for money from Hillary's stresses the line "I am one of a million..." ("Texans who need...") Needy Texans, huh? Texans aren't naive voters, but Clinton supporters elsewhere might not catch the million/million comparison. To top it off, it's the first pro-Clinton material I've seen that isn't half-bad (not wooden, not politics-as-usual). So - - - don't let's get complacent. Hillary has the party machinery and !!! If you haven't heard it, the feds told Dallas police to stop using metal detectors for more than the last hour they admitted people to the audience to see Obama. The police were questioning this... For you young folk, Dallas is where JFK was shot, the first of a series of assassinations that changed US politics, whoever was responsible.
 

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